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02/05/2020 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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        SB 155-EXPLORATION & MINING RIGHTS; ANNUAL LABOR                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:32:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE announced the  consideration of SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE                                                               
FOR  SENATE BILL  NO. 155,  "An Act  relating to  exploration and                                                               
mining  rights;  relating  to   annual  labor  requirements  with                                                               
respect  to  mining  claims  and   related  leases;  relating  to                                                               
statements of  annual labor; defining 'labor';  and providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:32:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP,  speaking  as  sponsor  SB  155,  thanked  Chair                                                               
Micciche for  the moment  of silence for  former Chair  Birch. He                                                               
said the timely remembrance coincides  with a mining bill that is                                                               
in  front  of  the  Senate Resources  Committee,  noting  Senator                                                               
Birch's mining background.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  submitted  that  SB  155  streamlines  mining  laws.  Updated                                                               
recommendations  and  changes will  make  it  easier for  Alaskan                                                               
miners  to do  business  with  clarity and  the  ability to  cure                                                               
faults. The bill will help  with the administration's vision that                                                               
Alaska is  open for  business and  to let  capital flow  into the                                                               
state from  around the world. The  state has a history  in mining                                                               
and the bill will tune up mining regulations and statutes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:35:01 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained that  the process for the  legislation started three                                                               
years  ago  in  response  to miners  having  issues  with  voided                                                               
claims. He  said himself, Senator  Coghill, Senator  Giessel, the                                                               
Alaska Miners Association (AMA),  and the previous administration                                                               
saw  a need  for  change.  He thanked  the  Alaska Department  of                                                               
Natural   Resources  (DNR),   Commissioner  Feige,   AMA,  fellow                                                               
senators, and the governor for collaborating on the legislation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:17 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained  that miners annually  fill out a standard  form for                                                               
their  assessment  work.  Miners were  reporting  that  technical                                                               
violations  were  resulting in  voided  claim  notices via  mail.                                                               
Article  XIII, section  8 in  the  Alaska Constitution  addresses                                                               
annual labor or  annual lease payments under  the Mineral Leasing                                                               
Act.  The legislative  intent for  the  bill is  to preserve  due                                                               
process for miners.  Miners should be able to have  a cure period                                                               
to  protect their  investments if  they meet  their annual  labor                                                               
statements  and lease  payment  requirements,  even though  there                                                               
might be a discrepancy.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:39:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAD  HUTCHISON, Counsel,  Senate Majority  Office, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau,  Alaska,  explained  that  the  legislation                                                               
involved  several years  of  work that  involved  an AMA  working                                                               
group that included  credible attorneys and miners.  She said the                                                               
legislation  addresses  concerns   voiced  by  individual  miners                                                               
throughout the state.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed slide  2 in  his presentation,  This Bill  is About                                                               
Mining Rights, as follows:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 • Mining-A large part of Alaska's past, present, and future.                                                                   
        o Alaska Constitution Section 8.1-General Policy                                                                        
         square4 Encourage development of the resources                                                                         
       o Alaska Constitution Section 8.11-Mineral Rights                                                                        
   • Designed for miners out in the field...not lawyers.                                                                        
     Pursuant to Governor Dunleavy's "Open for Business" Policy.                                                                
   • Based on "real world" experience.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said the bill is about  mining rights. Senator Bishop said the                                                               
bill starts  with the Alaska  Constitution, Article  XIII. Alaska                                                               
is one of  the few states that has a  natural resource article in                                                               
its  constitution  as a  general  policy  to encourages  resource                                                               
development  for  making maximum  use,  and  consistent with  the                                                               
public  interest.   Alaska  continued   the  mineral   rights  at                                                               
statehood.  The  mineral  rights,   specified  in  Article  XIII,                                                               
section 11,  are dependent  on the  performance of  annual labor,                                                               
royalties,  and rent  payments.  The bill  will  touch on  issues                                                               
related to section 11.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:41:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP pointed  out that  Alaska's  mining industry  has                                                               
4,500 direct  jobs, not counting  the indirect and  induced jobs.                                                               
Mining  jobs  are  some  of  the highest  paying  in  the  state,                                                               
averaging  $102,000  a year.  Annual  payroll,  total direct  and                                                               
indirect, amounts  to $715  million. The Red  Dog Mine  shows how                                                               
mining jobs have paid dividends  to the NANA Regional Corporation                                                               
and  the  Alaska  Industrial  Development  and  Export  Authority                                                               
(AIDEA). He  pointed out that  the state  is on the  precipice of                                                               
looking  at  some  other  projects   to  come  online  that  will                                                               
significantly increase jobs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP addressed slide 3, Example, as follows:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   • Small miner in Alaska                                                                                                      
   • Small typo in date.                                                                                                        
   • Was forced to refile his claim.                                                                                            
   • Tremendous risk! Top filing is an issue.                                                                                   
        o Lost investment/equipment/time.                                                                                       
   • Hurt production for Alaska.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  said  the  future  economy requires  critical  minerals  like                                                               
copper,  molybdenum,  and gold.  All  those  elements along  with                                                               
changes from the bill will affect both big and small mining.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He revealed  that a small miner  in Fairbanks shared that  a typo                                                               
on one  of his labor affidavits  forced him to refile  his claim,                                                               
an action  that caused concern and  created tremendous investment                                                               
risk  from  an  abandonment  issue   because  of  some  paperwork                                                               
problem. The  typo risk  is one  of the things  that the  bill is                                                               
trying to correct.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:43:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  asked for an  explanation of the  annual reports                                                               
and payments.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP explained  that the  payment schedule  depends on                                                               
where the miner is at in their rent clock.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL asked  if the payment issue is based  on a timing                                                               
or an event.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP answered  that payment  is based  on acreage  and                                                               
timing. If a  miner has not made a lease  payment by November 30,                                                               
it's  Katy bar  the door.  Miners do  have the  option to  make a                                                               
partial  payment,  but  the  requirement   for  full  payment  is                                                               
November 30.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE  said  receiving additional  information  on  the                                                               
process would be valuable.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP pointed  out that a mining rent  increase is based                                                               
in statute on  a 10-year lease cycle. The rent  increase is based                                                               
on the  Consumer Price  Index (CPI) in  Anchorage. He  noted that                                                               
his rent recently increased by 23 percent.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:46:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  addressed  the fourth  bullet  point  regarding                                                               
tremendous risk. She asked what top  filing means and why is it a                                                               
risk to a miner.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  explained that  if an individual  or group  has a                                                               
hiccup  on their  claim  if voided,  they  cannot re-stake  their                                                               
claim for one year. However, a  new leasee can stake the claim by                                                               
top filing.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL summarized that if  the miner makes a small error                                                               
in  their annual  labor report,  another person  can come  in and                                                               
automatically take that claim away with no recourse.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP specified that the  applicant must be the first in                                                               
line.  He said  the bill  proposes a  cure period  for up  to two                                                               
years, but with a penalty.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE  remarked  that the  bill  addresses  a  fairness                                                               
issue. There are some cases  were families have invested hundreds                                                               
of  thousands  of   dollars  up  to  millions   of  dollars  over                                                               
generations.  In  one  case  a  widow  is  going  though  a  very                                                               
difficult  time because  of a  top filing  situation. He  said he                                                               
appreciates that Senator Bishop brought the bill forward.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:48:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  HUTCHISON addressed  slide 4,  Sections  1, 2,  3 Deal  with                                                               
Qualifications, as follows:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 1 - As 38.05.190(a) is amended - Qualifications                                                                    
        o Adds that mining rights can be acquired by:                                                                           
             square4 Conservators of minors or incapacitated adults;                                                            
             square4 Individuals at least 18 years of age or older who                                                          
               have declared their intentions to become citizens                                                                
               of the United States;                                                                                            
             square4 Limited Liability Companies (LLCs);                                                                        
             square4 Registered trusts (with a qualified trustee)                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that current mining rights  qualifications includes                                                               
U.S.  citizens   over  the   age  of  18   years  of   age,  U.S.                                                               
corporations, and guardians of U.S.  miners. The bill updates the                                                               
statute  for 2020  based on  recommendations by  the AMA  working                                                               
group. The  bill includes conservators  who handle  the financial                                                               
aspects of miners and incapacitated adults.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  the qualifications  for "persons"  changed to                                                               
"individuals" that  are at least  18 years  of age or  older that                                                               
have declared  their intention to  become citizens of  the United                                                               
States.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON highlighted  that foreign  interest that  explores                                                               
and  invests in  the  state  is good  for  working Alaskans.  For                                                               
example,  Sumitomo  and  Canadian mining  interests  in  Interior                                                               
Alaska. The Fort Knox Mine  receives electrons from Golden Valley                                                               
Electric Association  (GVEA) and the  tax base for  the Fairbanks                                                               
North Star Borough benefits as  well. There is nothing wrong with                                                               
foreign investment  because Alaskans benefit. Alaskans  are those                                                               
miners along with supply companies  and all the support structure                                                               
around the mine, many are Alaskan companies.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL asked who would not be qualified.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON answered  that an  incapacitated  adult without  a                                                               
guardian or conservator and someone under  the age of 18 that did                                                               
not have a guardian would not be qualified.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:51:21 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained  that the bill  includes LLCs and  registered trusts                                                               
with a qualified  trustee. Information on registered  trusts is a                                                               
publicly    searchable   document    on   CourtView.    All   the                                                               
recommendations  for the  bill brought  a modern  mindset of  how                                                               
mining interests pass to trusts and beneficiaries.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE  pointed  out  that  there  is  not  a  residency                                                               
requirement in the statutes. He  asked if there is any preference                                                               
or  are  the statutes  just  how  mining  laws have  always  been                                                               
because  federal law  does  not allow  Alaskans  to have  greater                                                               
standing than anyone else.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON  answered that  he  can  only  think of  an  equal                                                               
protection  under  the Commerce  Clause  for  the free  and  open                                                               
ability  to  participate  in  the   nation's  commerce.  He  said                                                               
historically speaking,  foreign-based companies  have contributed                                                               
to mining interests over multiple decades.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE assumed  that the  non-residency requirement  was                                                               
from the Commerce Clause, federal  law that superseded state law.                                                               
Even  if  the state  attempted  to  change the  requirement,  the                                                               
attempt would be unconstitutional.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON answered correct.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  HUTCHISON addressed  slide 5,  Sections  1, 2,  3 Deal  with                                                               
Qualifications (Continued), as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 2 - AS 38.05.190(b) is repealed and reenacted                                                                      
   • An unqualified person may become qualified or transfer the                                                                 
     interest to a qualified person within 90 days after the                                                                    
     department  sends  written  notice.  If the  defect  is  not                                                               
     cured, the department may make a "void" declaration.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  section  2,  AS  38.05.190(b),  pertains  to                                                               
qualification.  Senator Bishop  mentioned that  qualification and                                                               
due  process are  big  issues among  the  miners' perspective  in                                                               
interior  Alaska.  If the  state  takes  away mining  rights  and                                                               
investments, there must  be due process and the  ability to cure.                                                               
If  the department  makes a  "void" declaration  for a  non-cured                                                               
defect, the department  sends the declaration and  the person has                                                               
90 days to make a response.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:54:06 PM                                                                                                                    
He addressed slide  6, Sections 1, 2, 3  Deal with Qualifications                                                               
(Continued), as follows:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 3 - New subsections are added to AS 38.05.190.                                                                     
     These are new subsection (c), (d), (e), (f), and (g).                                                                      
   • (c) - If the department learns that an unqualified person                                                                  
     has acquired an interest,  the department shall send written                                                               
     notice to  the owner and  address listed in the  most recent                                                               
     statement of annual  labor or to the address in  the deed or                                                               
     assignment of the claim. The  notice statement shall express                                                               
     that the interest will be void unless the defect is cured.                                                                 
   • (d) - Failure to comply will result in a "void." However,                                                                  
     there shall be  no "void" declaration if  the person becomes                                                               
     qualified.                                                                                                                 
   • (e) - An unqualified person can cure either before or after                                                                
     receiving notice.  However, a person  may not cure  if there                                                               
     has been "void"  declaration. If "void" a  person cannot re-                                                               
     stake for one year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He explained that  section 3 adds new subsections  that gets into                                                               
what the bill  sponsors envision for due  process. Subsection (c)                                                               
establishes that  the department shall  send written notice  to a                                                               
relevant address  when it learns  that an unqualified  person has                                                               
acquired an interest. Subsection  (d) addresses failure to comply                                                               
with  a void.  Subsection (e)  defines the  cure process  after a                                                               
miner receives a void notice.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON  summarized  that  the  miners  must  receive  the                                                               
benefit  of  the doubt.  The  intent  is  to give  ample  liberal                                                               
opportunity  for the  miner to  cure. Mining  rights owners  must                                                               
receive the  freedom and flexibility  to address a cure  prior to                                                               
receiving a void notice.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:55:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP  referred  to Senator  Giessel's  question  on  a                                                               
voided claim. He said subsection  (e) specified that if the claim                                                               
is void, the person cannot re-stake for one year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  pointed out that  currently there is  no notice.                                                               
The presumption  is the miner  has the responsibility to  know if                                                               
their filing report has a problem.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  explained that the  only notice a  miner receives                                                               
is their claim is gone.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL concurred  that the  void notice  is a  dramatic                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON said  miners have said there has not  been a proper                                                               
notice and that is what the bill is trying to correct.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL emphasized that millions  of dollars and a life's                                                               
work could go up in smoke based on the void notice issue.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON specified that the  small miners have addressed the                                                               
void notice  issue with  the bill sponsors.  The small  miners do                                                               
not have  a team of attorneys  or a department to  fill out their                                                               
paperwork. The consternation from the  void notice comes from the                                                               
small  mom-and-pop operations,  the placer  miners from  Interior                                                               
Alaska.  There is  a lot  of  confusion sometimes  about how  DNR                                                               
implements some of their policies.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:57:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  noted that he  has asked how many  placer miners                                                               
in other  states. There are a  handful, but if there  is a placer                                                               
mining place  in the United States  it is going to  be in Alaska,                                                               
specifically in  the interior of  Alaska. Alaska is not  the only                                                               
place for placer  mining, but placer mining is  significant and a                                                               
big deal to the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON  addressed slide  7,  Section  3 -  Continued,  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • (f) - If the unqualified person fails to cure the defect                                                                   
     within  90 days  after the  department sent  written notice,                                                               
     the  department  may  declare   the  exploration  or  mining                                                               
     interest  "void" and  open to  location. There  shall be  no                                                               
     third-party  location or  judicial  action  within those  90                                                               
     days.                                                                                                                      
   • (g) - "qualified to do business in this state" means                                                                       
     holding a certificate issue by the Commissioner of                                                                         
     Commerce, Community, and Economic Development (necessary to                                                                
     do business in the state).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON said  in subsection (f), the intent is  to give the                                                               
benefit of the doubt to the small miner.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP specified that the  bill does not say there cannot                                                               
be a void notice  filing, just that the miner has  90 days to get                                                               
their house in order.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He  said in  reference to  Senator Coghill's  comments on  placer                                                               
miners,  based  on  two-year-old data,  there  are  600-permitted                                                               
placer   miners  in   Alaska.  Placer   miners  are   mom-and-pop                                                               
operations  that  generate  over  $105 million  directly  to  the                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:58:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE said he is  curious why people will choose various                                                               
timelines and asked how the bill  sponsors arrived at 90 days for                                                               
the cure period.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  replied that  typically a miner  is in  the field                                                               
and gets to  town once a month to check  their P.O. boxes. Ninety                                                               
days provides  miners with  ample time  to address  any certified                                                               
mail from DNR.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON  continued to address  slide 7, subsection  (g). He                                                               
said the  subsection simply  defines business  qualifications and                                                               
the  requirement  to hold  a  certificate  issued by  the  Alaska                                                               
Department  of  Commerce,  Community,  and  Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He pointed  out that  the DCCED  license is  just one  license, a                                                               
miner must also have a  mining license from the Alaska Department                                                               
of  Revenue  and  from  DCCED. The  two  departments  must  cross                                                               
reference  to  make sure  a  miner  is  in good  standing.  Also,                                                               
depending on how big the  mining operation is, the state requires                                                               
many other permits from the corresponding agencies.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:00:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HUTCHISON  addressed slide 8,  Section 4, 5 Deal  with Mining                                                               
Claims, as follows:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 4 - AS 38.05.195(b) - Establishment of deposit                                                                     
     right when  using the Meridian, Township,  Range, Selection,                                                               
     and Claim system  (MTRSC). How does MTRSC  work? Location of                                                               
     a claim  is based on  ground locations of  quarter sections,                                                               
     or,  quarter  by   quarter  section  of  a   township  on  a                                                               
     rectangular  survey system.  The  locator  marks the  claim,                                                               
     using  the  MTRSC system  in  good  faith. The  corners  are                                                               
     marked  on the  ground  of  the claim,  in  the  event of  a                                                               
     conflict. The system is approved by the commissioner.                                                                      
   • Adds: a valid MTRSC system location establishes rights to                                                                  
     deposits within the  section that are open  to claim staking                                                               
     at the time of location.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He addressed slide 9, Mining  Claim Form Example, an illustration                                                               
of a  claim form that miners  fill out. The claim  identifies the                                                               
who, what, when, where,  and why as to what is  going on with the                                                               
claim.  The  claim  example  illustrates  the  quarter-by-quarter                                                               
section, the meridian is Fairbanks,  the township is 8-North, the                                                               
range  is  12-East,   Section:  34,  quarter-by-quarter  section:                                                               
Southeast,  of  Quarter Section:  Southeast.  He  noted that  the                                                               
Claim Sketch  allows for  computer or  handwritten illustrations.                                                               
There can  be attachments that  the miner can choose  to include,                                                               
the same  goes for the  annual labor document. Recording  a claim                                                               
certificate occurs in the recording district.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
He addressed slide  10, Section 4, 5 Deal with  Mining Claims, as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 5 - AS 38.05.195(d) - Changes in locations and                                                                     
     amended notices.                                                                                                           
   • Eliminated unnecessary language and focused on a simple                                                                    
     procedure outlined  in AS 38.05.200. Notices  can be amended                                                               
     at any  time to  correspond with  the amended  locations, as                                                               
     long as it does not interfere  with the rights of others. If                                                               
     there  was  an  error  in   the  notice  or  certificate  of                                                               
     locations,  an  amended  certificate of  location  shall  be                                                               
     recorded in the same manner and  with the same effect as the                                                               
     original certificate.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explained that section 5  pertains to changes to locations and                                                               
amended  notices.  The  bill gets  rid  of  unnecessary  language                                                               
related to annual labor. The  change eliminates a conflict in the                                                               
way  annual labor  is  going to  operate later  in  the bill,  AS                                                               
38.05.200.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:03:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HUTCHISON addressed  slide 11, Affidavit of  Annual Labor. He                                                               
specified that annual  labor takes up sections 6, 7,  8, and 9 in                                                               
the bill.  The illustration on  slide 11 shows what  an affidavit                                                               
looks  like.  The affidavit  is  usually  a page  of  substantive                                                               
language  and it  can  have an  attachment.  The affidavit  notes                                                               
lease  name,  location, Alaska  Division  of  Land (ADL)  number,                                                               
meridian, township, range, and section(s).  The important part of                                                               
the affidavit  is to show  labor performance. He  summarized that                                                               
he would  specify what labor  is in the  State of Alaska  when it                                                               
comes to developing a mining claim.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed slide  12, Sections  6, 7,  8, 9  Deal with  Annual                                                               
Labor, as follows:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 6 - AS 38.05.210 (a) - Outlines clear guidelines                                                                   
     for performance of annual labor - Performing annual labor                                                                  
     means that the miner is working the ground and trying to                                                                   
     produce.                                                                                                                   
   • Added:                                                                                                                     
        o Annual labor performance can be done under a common                                                                   
          plan for development.                                                                                                 
             square4 May include adjacent mineral interests.                                                                    
             square4 Expenditures may be made on or for the benefit of                                                          
               any one claim.                                                                                                   
       o Labor shall be performed at the following rates:                                                                       
             square4 $100 for each claim;                                                                                       
             square4 $400 for each quarter section MTRSC claim                                                                  
             square4 $100 for each partial or whole 40 acres of each                                                            
               mining claim not established using the MTRSC                                                                     
               system.                                                                                                          
        o For not more than five consecutive years, the claim                                                                   
          holder may make a cash payment instead of performing                                                                  
          annual labor.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  said  the  bill  provides  a  clear  understanding  of  added                                                               
components and what  already exists. Some changes  may be subject                                                               
to  change. For  example, an  adjustment to  the language  in the                                                               
common plan for development. The  bill allows labor forms under a                                                               
common plan  for development. That  may include  adjacent mineral                                                               
interests  and  expenditures  that  benefit  any  one  claim.  He                                                               
explained that the noted labor rates currently exist in statute.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON said  one of  the most  important things  that the                                                               
bill sponsors  want is for  miners to produce. The  bill includes                                                               
language that  says that  not more  than five  consecutive years,                                                               
the claim  holder may make  a cash payment instead  of performing                                                               
annual  labor. The  intent is  to  incentivize moving  production                                                               
forward by having miners produce what  is on the land rather than                                                               
paying the equivalent value in cash and doing nothing.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:05:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  asked for  an explanation on  the labor  piece in                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP  explained  that  the bill  specifies  the  labor                                                               
spending minimum to be within the  intent of the law to be whole.                                                               
He  pointed  out that  existing  regulation  allows for  carrying                                                               
labor costs forward.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE remarked  that  there is  not  a requirement  for                                                               
production, but there is a  requirement for spending to encourage                                                               
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP answered  correct. He said that is  the reason why                                                               
there  cannot  be  more  than  five  consecutive  years  of  cash                                                               
payments.  The  spending  requirement is  all  about  encouraging                                                               
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:07:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL said  he  has  a two-part  question  on the  labor                                                               
spending minimum. He explained that  his first question is to ask                                                               
for  an explanation  on  the  $100 minimum  labor  rate for  each                                                               
claim. He inquired  how the $100 minimum rate  was determined. He                                                               
noted that in reviewing earlier  changes to the section, the rate                                                               
was still at $100.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  said his  second  question  is whether  the  $100                                                               
minimum rate is  enough minimum labor spending  to get production                                                               
from claims. He  assumed that the minimum rate is  to keep people                                                               
from  warehousing, noting  that the  state is  not worried  about                                                               
operators  who are  spending  $100,000 a  year  because they  are                                                               
mining.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP replied  that he cannot answer  the first question                                                               
because  the  rates  are  probably   a  policy  call  within  the                                                               
department. He  said he agreed  with Senator Kiehl's  comments on                                                               
his  second  question.  He  reiterated  that  the  intent  is  to                                                               
encourage  production  as  fast  as possible.  He  admitted  that                                                               
miners cannot  twiddle their  thumbs and  throw capital  away. He                                                               
said the  small guys need  to produce  because they put  it right                                                               
back into the ground.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:09:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HUTCHISON addressed  slide 13, Sections 6, 7, 8,  9 Deal with                                                               
Annual Labor, as follows:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 7 - AS 38.05.210(b) - Clarifies the information                                                                    
     found in a statement of annual labor                                                                                       
   • Added:                                                                                                                     
        o Individual signs the statement to certify that it is                                                                  
          true and correct to the best of the individual's                                                                      
          knowledge.                                                                                                            
        o The statement must include:                                                                                           
             square4 The assessment work year                                                                                   
             square4 The name and land administration number assigned                                                           
               by the department.                                                                                               
             square4 Every meridian, township, range, and section in                                                            
               which the mining claim located                                                                                   
             square4 The recording district                                                                                     
             square4 The total amount of work required                                                                          
             square4 A description of the labor performed                                                                       
             square4 The value of the labor performed (including                                                                
               excess labor value from previous year)                                                                           
             square4 The name and mailing address of the owner                                                                  
               designated to receive notices                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  said section  7 clarifies  what  will be  in the  anticipated                                                               
annual labor statement. The bill  adds many statement inclusions,                                                               
especially  an individual  signing that  their statement  is true                                                               
and correct to the best of their knowledge.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed slide  14, Sections  6, 7,  8, 9  Deal with  Annual                                                               
Labor, as follows:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 8 - AS 38.05.210(c) - Allows for statement of                                                                      
     annual labor to be corrected at any time                                                                                   
   • Added:                                                                                                                     
        o The statement of annual labor can be corrected at any                                                                 
          time, before or after the effective date of this act,                                                                 
          before and "invalid" declaration.                                                                                     
        o The corrected statement of annual labor shall be                                                                      
          recorded like the original.                                                                                           
        o A corrected statement may not be applied against labor                                                                
         required to be done during a subsequent year.                                                                          
        o A corrected statement shall be recorded in 90 days.                                                                   
   • Removed:                                                                                                                   
        o 2-year threshold has been removed. In other words:                                                                    
         There had to be a correction within two-years.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON  explained that  section  8  allows for  corrected                                                               
annual labor statements,  a policy that provides  the miner every                                                               
benefit of the doubt. The  section allows corrections at any time                                                               
prior to  an invalid  declaration. Corrected  statement treatment                                                               
is  the same  as  the  original. There  is  no  ability to  apply                                                               
required  labor  during  a  subsequent   year  from  a  corrected                                                               
statement.  Recording  a corrected  statement  must  occur in  90                                                               
days.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He noted  that there used  to be a  two-year threshold to  make a                                                               
correction and failure  to make corrections within  the two years                                                               
could have resulted in bad  consequences. The bill eliminates the                                                               
two-year threshold and corrections can occur at any time.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:11:02 PM                                                                                                                    
He  addressed slide  15, Sections  6, 7,  8, 9  Deal with  Annual                                                               
Labor, as follows:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 9 - AS 38.05.210 - Added new subsections (e), (f),                                                                 
     (g), (h), (i), (j), and (k)                                                                                                
   • (e) - A single statement of annual  labor may  be recorded                                                                 
     for the benefit of more than one mining claim.                                                                             
   • (f) - A timely recorded statement of annual labor is prima                                                                 
     facia evidence of performance.                                                                                             
   • (g) - The department  shall  not  declare a  mining  claim                                                                 
     invalid based on a deficiency in a statement of annual                                                                     
     labor until 90 days after written notice.                                                                                  
        o Certified mail                                                                                                        
        o Additional cop sent via regular mail                                                                                  
   • (h) - If  a  person  fails to  correct  in  90  days,  the                                                                 
     department may make an "invalid" declaration. No third-                                                                    
    party location or judicial action within those 90 days.                                                                     
   • (i) - A decision to declare a location invalid based  on a                                                                 
     deficiency in a statement of annual labor must be issued no                                                                
     later than five years after the date of the annual labor is                                                                
     recorded.                                                                                                                  
   • (j) - Department  not required  to  review  statements  of                                                                 
     annual labor.                                                                                                              
   • (k) - Failure of a co-owner to contribute shall be treated                                                                 
     in accordance with AS 38.05.215-AS 38.05.235.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON said  section 9  deals with  additional provisions                                                               
for the annual  labor statement. The section  allows recording of                                                               
a single annual labor statement for more than one claim.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  in subsection  (f), a  recorded statement  of                                                               
annual labor is prima facia, which  means on its face is evidence                                                               
of   performance.   From   the  court's   perspective   and   the                                                               
department's perspective,  the recorded statement is  on its face                                                               
evidence of performance.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said subsection (g) deals  with notice mailing. The department                                                               
shall  not declare  a mining  claim invalid  until 90  days after                                                               
written  notice.  Small miners  brought  forth  the notice  issue                                                               
because their  work environment  requires them to  be out  in the                                                               
field. The subsection makes sure miners have the proper notice.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that in subsection  (h), the department  shall make                                                               
an invalid declaration  if a person fails to correct  in 90 days.                                                               
However, no third parties can  locate, and no judicial action can                                                               
happen within  those 90 days.  The subsection protects  the miner                                                               
and provides the ability to rectify.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  detailed  that subsection  (i)  places  a five-year  lookback                                                               
limit on the department to declare  a location invalid based on a                                                               
deficiency.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He  said subsection  (j) is  an important  section that  does not                                                               
require  the department  to review  annual  statements of  annual                                                               
labor. The  section does  not require the  department to  look at                                                               
the files and potential issues.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that subsection (k)  outlines the failure of  a co-                                                               
owner to contribute.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:13:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP  specified  that  that subsection  (j)  does  not                                                               
require  the department  to review  statements  of annual  labor.                                                               
However,   various   departments   will  review   mining   permit                                                               
applications  that   require  stringent  review  for   the  right                                                               
reasons.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE asked  if mining  claims must  be adjacent  for a                                                               
single statement of annual labor.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP   replied  that   a  single   statement  requires                                                               
connected claims.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:15:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  HUTCHISON addressed  slide 16,  AS 38.05.215-AS  38.05.235 -                                                               
What Do Those Statutes Say, as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • A non-contributing co-owner may be required to forfeit                                                                     
     interest to the other co-owner, after direct written notice                                                                
     or 90 days public notice in a local newspaper of record                                                                    
     from the contributing co-owner.                                                                                            
   • If a forfeiture occurs, within 120 days, the co-owner that                                                                 
     claims forfeiture shall record in the recorder's office                                                                    
     where the claim is located:                                                                                                
        o Copy of notice                                                                                                        
        o Affidavit of service                                                                                                  
        o Affidavit of co-owner                                                                                                 
             square4 Must include that delinquent amount has not been                                                           
               rectified.                                                                                                       
   • If a lienholder on an unpatented mining claim, the                                                                         
     lienholder may perform annual labor to prevent forfeiture.                                                                 
   • Notice must be sent to the address of owner.                                                                               
   • Lienholder work shall be reimbursed. Must be properly                                                                      
     recorded 90 days within completion.                                                                                        
   • A lawsuit may be filed to enforce a lien after notice of                                                                   
     the claim of lien.                                                                                                         
   • A lien for performance of annual labor must be done in good                                                                
     faith to protect interests.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He summarized that the statutes show that there is a process if                                                                 
a co-owner forfeits.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:16:27 PM                                                                                                                    
He addressed slides 17 and 18, Section 10 Defines "Labor," as                                                                   
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 10-Labor includes:                                                                                                 
        o Work performed in good faith on a mining claim,                                                                       
          leasehold location, or mining lease that is directly                                                                  
          related to prospecting for, developing, or producing                                                                  
          minerals, including:                                                                                                  
             square4 Excavating, tunneling, drilling, or clearing                                                               
               brush and timber in support of prospecting for,                                                                  
               developing or producing minerals                                                                                 
             square4 Constructing or maintaining roads, trails, and                                                             
               landing strips                                                                                                   
             square4 Extracting or producing ore                                                                                
             square4 Performing metallurgical analyses, environmental                                                           
               studies,     economic     feasibility     studies,                                                               
               engineering, and permitting                                                                                      
             square4 Constructing settling ponds, water supplies, and                                                           
               other utilities                                                                                                  
             square4 Providing worker housing                                                                                   
             square4 Performing reclamation activities  under   a                                                               
               reclamation plan                                                                                                 
             square4 Transporting workers and equipment in the state                                                            
               to or from a mining site (not to exceed 50                                                                       
               percent of the total value of labor in the                                                                       
               statement of annual labor for the assessment                                                                     
               year)                                                                                                            
             square4 Conducting a geological or airborne survey by a                                                            
               qualified expert and verified by a detailed                                                                      
               report that sets out:                                                                                            
                  • The location of the survey                                                                                  
                  • The nature, extent, and cost of the survey                                                                  
                  • The  name,   address,    and   professional                                                                 
                    background of the person conducting the work                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON  specified that  section 10  defines what  labor is                                                               
going to be,  an issue that the AMA working  group addressed. The                                                               
intent for the labor definition  list is that work performance is                                                               
in good faith for developing  a mining claim, leasehold location,                                                               
or a lease.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He noted  that statute  already defines  a qualified  expert used                                                               
for geological  or airborne survey.  A qualified expert  means an                                                               
individual   qualified  by   education   experience  to   conduct                                                               
geological, geochemical, or geophysical surveys.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:17:37 PM                                                                                                                    
He  addressed  slide  19, Section  11  Defines  Abandonment,"  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 11 - AS 38.05.265(a) and (b) - Clarifies                                                                           
     "abandonment" -                                                                                                            
   • (a) - Failure to perform labor or make improvements or make                                                                
     a payment in  lieu of labor, timely record  a certificate of                                                               
     location  or statement  of annual  labor, timely  pay annual                                                               
     rental,  or timely  pay  any  required production  royalties                                                               
     constitutes abandonment.                                                                                                   
   • A locator may not relocate the claim until one year after                                                                  
     abandonment.                                                                                                               
   • Removed:                                                                                                                   
        o A statement of annual labor that does not accurately                                                                  
          set out essential facts is void and has no effect.                                                                    
   • If an annual rental or a royalty payment is deficient but                                                                  
     is  otherwise timely  paid, abandonment  does not  result if                                                               
     full  payment is  made within  the period  described in  the                                                               
     deficiency notice  from the  department or  30 days  after a                                                               
     final  judgment   establishing  the   amount  due   (if  the                                                               
     deficiency amount due was contested).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON explained that a  person is on the abandonment path                                                               
if  they  do  not perform  the  labor  or  they  do not  pay  the                                                               
royalties and rent. Claim relocation  cannot occur until one year                                                               
after an abandonment declaration.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP pointed  out that  relocation depends  on whether                                                               
someone has not top filed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON concurred with Senator Bishop.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  summarized that  section 11  removes issues  in AS  38.05.265                                                               
that  pertains to  typos and  essential facts  in a  statement of                                                               
annual labor  report. The  miner receives  the benefit  of doubt.                                                               
Abandonment,  as  defined in  section  11,  does not  necessarily                                                               
occur if an annual rental or royalty payment is deficient.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:19:13 PM                                                                                                                    
He addressed slide 20, Section 11 Continued, as follows:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • (b) - Added "rents and royalties." The language now states                                                                 
     that  unless another  person has  located  on the  abandoned                                                               
     claim  or  leasehold location  (or  the  area is  closed  to                                                               
     mineral location), a  person may cure the  failure to record                                                               
    or pay rents or royalties (that led to abandonment) by:                                                                     
        o Properly recording the certificate of location or                                                                     
          statement of annual labor;                                                                                            
        o Paying any required rental or royalties; and                                                                          
        o Paying the penalty equal to the annual rent from the                                                                  
          mining claim or leasehold location.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  summarized  that  section  11  solidifies  that  there  is  a                                                               
rectifying process if there is a payment deficiency.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He addressed slide 21, Section 12  - AS 38.05.270 - Transfers, as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • Clarified that the sale, lease, or other transfer of mining                                                                
     property  or interest  in mining  property be  recorded, but                                                               
     eliminated  existing language  which  stated,  "or shall  be                                                               
     approved   by  the   director   in   compliance  with   such                                                               
     regulations as the commissioner my adopt."                                                                                 
        o Why? The removed language was too vague. What                                                                         
          "regulations?" Clarity and a "streamlined process" was                                                                
          sought for the miners.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  asked how someone  becomes assigned  if something                                                               
were to happen to a legal person controlling a claim.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON asked  if  the question  pertained  to the  estate                                                               
process or a trustee for a beneficiary.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE answered yes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHISON answered  that he  will have  to get  back to  the                                                               
committee with an answer.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed slide  22,  Section 13  Deals  with Recognition  of                                                               
Locations, as follows:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 13 - AS 38.05.275(a) - Ensures that mining on state                                                                
     selected land located on or after an active unpatented                                                                     
     federal mining claim may be located only with recorded                                                                     
     permission of the unpatented federal mining claim holder.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said  section 13 is a  good reference on the  handling of mine                                                               
locations  in the  State  of Alaska.  The  section references  AS                                                               
38.05.185  to  AS  38.05.275  regarding  elements  on  the  claim                                                               
process,  qualifications, producing  annual labor,  etcetera. The                                                               
only addition  to the  section, as suggested  by the  AMA working                                                               
group,  is that  if there  is state  selected land  on an  active                                                               
unpatented  federal mining  claim, it  may only  be located  with                                                               
expressed  written  permission  from  the  federal  mining  claim                                                               
holder.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:22:23 PM                                                                                                                    
He  addressed   slide  23,   Sections  14,   15,  16   Deal  with                                                               
Applicability, the  Transition Process,  and the  Effective Date,                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Section 14 - Clarifies applicability                                                                                       
   • Section 15 - Ensures a smooth transition process (for                                                                      
     regulations).                                                                                                              
   • Section 16 - Immediate effective date.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.   HUTCHISON   explained   that   sections   14-16   clarifies                                                               
applicability sections  specifically to  section 8,  which allows                                                               
for statement corrections of annual  labor at any time. Section 9                                                               
deals with annual  labor requirements and because  of the change,                                                               
those are going to take effect  before, on, or after if this bill                                                               
passes.  Section 13  pertains to  unpatented federal  claims, the                                                               
unpatented federal permission starts on  July 1, 2020. Section 15                                                               
deals with  a transition process  and states that  the department                                                               
shall declare a site abandoned  because of the revisions that are                                                               
happening  in this  legislation, until  problems resolution,  and                                                               
this has passed  through a smooth transition  process. Section 16                                                               
calls for the immediate effective date of the legislation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  if  anything in  the  bill affects  payment                                                               
deadlines and their impact on the validity of the claim right.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHISON answered  that miners still must  make payments and                                                               
their associated  deadlines. However, the ability  to rectify has                                                               
changed where due process allows  the miner to correct the amount                                                               
owed and to keep producing.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:25:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MICCICHE opened  public testimony.  He said  the committee                                                               
will start with invited testimony.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:25:20 PM                                                                                                                    
DEANTHA CROCKETT, Executive  Director, Alaska Miners Association,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska,  noted  that  representatives  from  the  AMA                                                               
working  group will  provide additional  testimony  to address  a                                                               
highly  technical issue.  She said  she appreciated  the previous                                                               
comments from  Senator Bishop  and Mr.  Hutchison in  addition to                                                               
their work  on SB 155 to  make sure the senseless  loss of claims                                                               
stops happening. She  added that she appreciates  and agrees with                                                               
Chair Micciche's description of the bill as a fairness issue.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She said AMA has spent a lot  of time talking to people about the                                                               
bill  because  it  has  mining  and  exploration  in  its  title.                                                               
However, AMA  spent more  time talking to  people about  what the                                                               
bill is  not. The bill  is simply a fix  to the state's  land and                                                               
mineral tenure statutes for clarification.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She shared that  AMA jokingly says that the only  people who care                                                               
about  the  claims  issue  is   DNR  and  miners,  the  only  two                                                               
demographics that it  impacts, but fixing the  issue is critical.                                                               
AMA and  its working group have  worked with DNR for  almost four                                                               
years. In  addition, AMA has  worked with Senator Bishop  and the                                                               
previous  administration.  The bill  before  the  committee is  a                                                               
product of  hours of  conversations with  the AMA  working group,                                                               
subject matter experts, and the DNR.  There was a lot of give and                                                               
take to end up with the legislation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:28:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CROCKETT  said getting  into the  issues that  Senator Bishop                                                               
and  Mr.  Hutchison  outlined, statute  review  in  its  entirety                                                               
resulted in  determining must-haves.  One of  those is  to change                                                               
the  qualifications  for  people  or  entities  allowed  to  hold                                                               
claims,  an  issue that  the  bill  addresses via  LLCs,  trusts,                                                               
etcetera.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She stated  that the bill  provides a cure provision  if somebody                                                               
does find themselves  to be unqualified for any  reason, there is                                                               
an ability to fix that within 90 days.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She said  the bill also clarifies  the intent of the  MTRSC claim                                                               
location system  for DNR to  correctly interpret how  that system                                                               
is supposed to work.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She stated  that there is  unclear language about  the affidavits                                                               
of annual labor, an issue that  garnered most of the time. Fixing                                                               
the  form, fixing  the types  of labor  allowed and  other things                                                               
related to annual labor affidavits is a critical issue for AMA.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
She said AMA thinks that the  bill does a great job of clarifying                                                               
the  existing federal  mining  claim and  state  mining claim  of                                                               
transfer of conversion of process.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She summarized that  the bill addresses the  must-haves that were                                                               
critical to AMA. The legislation  creates land tenure and mineral                                                               
tenure  that miners  need, an  industry-wide  issue that  affects                                                               
anyone that  holds a mining claim  in Alaska. She noted  that the                                                               
overview  used a  lot of  placer mining  examples, but  there are                                                               
large  operations  that  have experienced  the  previously  noted                                                               
issues as well.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:29:57 PM                                                                                                                    
She said Mr. Hanneman and  herself will address questions brought                                                               
up by committee members. She said  there was a question about the                                                               
fee  structure. Fees  are  based on  acreage  and timelines.  The                                                               
longer a  miner holds a claim,  the more the miner  pays. The fee                                                               
structure  incentivizes   production.  She  explained   that  the                                                               
longest scale  occurs for claims held  for 11 or more  years. She                                                               
noted  that the  fees passed  the previous  year as  part of  the                                                               
DNR's regulation  revisions, the  fee for a  claim holder  for 11                                                               
years or more is $825.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE explained  that his previous rate  question was in                                                               
reference to  the intention to use  a mining claim as  a low-cost                                                               
recreational  site, an  issue that  created  struggles in  Cooper                                                               
Landing. He  asked if the bill  adequately addresses recreational                                                               
use of claims.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:31:36 PM                                                                                                                    
KARL HANNEMAN, Chief Executive  Officer, International Tower Hill                                                               
Mines, Fairbanks,  Alaska, explained  that under section  10, the                                                               
AMA  working  group has  specifically  proposed  a new  statutory                                                               
definition  to  address in  part  Chair  Micciche's concern.  The                                                               
definition states,  "Work or improvements  made in good  faith on                                                               
or for the  benefit of the mining claim;" that  language does not                                                               
exist  now   anywhere.  The  change   will  assure   claim  owner                                                               
accountability toward advancing the property towards production.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE pointed  out that  section  10, lines  16 and  17                                                               
states  that,   "mining  lease  that   is  directly   related  to                                                               
prospecting for, developing, or producing."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN  specified  that  the  definition  for  "labor"  in                                                               
section  10 starts  on line  15  and continues  through line  17,                                                               
"'Labor'  includes work  performed or  improvements made  in good                                                               
faith  on  or  for  the  benefit of  a  mining  claim,  leasehold                                                               
location,   or  mining   lease  that   is  directly   related  to                                                               
prospecting for,  developing, or producing  minerals, including."                                                               
He  added that  section 10  continues with  a list  of activities                                                               
that qualify as work.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE  asked  if  the  bill  further  incentivizes  and                                                               
discourages the cabin and recreational site.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN   answered  that  was   the  AMA   working  group's                                                               
intention.  He  said  in response  to  Chair  Micciche's  earlier                                                               
question  on  rates, statutes  require  miners  to pay  rent  and                                                               
royalties on  state land. Physical  work must occur in  the field                                                               
to advance  a claim. The  intent is not  to change the  timing or                                                               
amounts  associated  with the  required  timely  rent or  royalty                                                               
payments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:33:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MICCICHE asked  for an  explanation on  determining errors                                                               
and assigns of mining property.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN  answered that  he  was  referring to  an  existing                                                               
statute that the bill will remove.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE  asked  if  there   is  an  adequate  process  to                                                               
determine  the  recording  of  an  heir or  assign  of  a  mining                                                               
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMANN   conceded  that  a   problem  can  occur   if  an                                                               
unqualified entity  receives an  estate settlement  transfer. The                                                               
intent is  to understand  who is  qualified to  own and  allow an                                                               
opportunity to cure.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL noted that sections  8 and 9 addressed the 90-day                                                               
period to  correct a deficiency  and statement of  annual report.                                                               
She asked if there is a  top filing prohibition during the 90-day                                                               
period.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMANN answered yes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:36:28 PM                                                                                                                    
GREGORY  BEISCHER, President,  Millrock Resources,  Incorporated,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska, explained that  Millrock Resources is a public                                                               
company that  trades on  the stock  exchange. He  said Millrock's                                                               
goal  as geologists  is to  find  a giant  metallic load  mineral                                                               
deposit like  Red Dog,  Fort Knox, or  Greens Creek.  The company                                                               
does not  placer mine  or operate on  creeks. The  company stakes                                                               
its  claims in  Alaska and  attracts  capital from  all over  the                                                               
world.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said he  will provide the committee with a  couple of examples                                                               
of why  the state needs  to fix its mineral  statutes. Currently,                                                               
there is  a fair bit of  uncertainty in tenure of  mineral title.                                                               
In  some cases,  Millrock has  lost its  mineral rights  which is                                                               
unacceptable. It is not perfectly  clear whether land is open and                                                               
available   for  staking,   a  major   disincentive  to   mineral                                                               
investment in the state from around the world.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He detailed that Millrock was  top filed by another claimant that                                                               
pointed out  an error in  a historic  affidavit of labor  to DNR.                                                               
The error  dated back  almost 20 years  prior to  Millrock owning                                                               
the claim.  Millrock bought the  claims from a prospector  and he                                                               
made  an error  on  his affidavit.  The  DNR declared  Millrock's                                                               
claims void,  retroactively all the way  back to the date  of the                                                               
error. As  a result,  Millrock lost the  claims, someone  had top                                                               
filed and now they have got  them. The only way Millrock is going                                                               
to get the claims  back is to pursue it in  court, an action that                                                               
Millrock is unsure will be successful.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEISCHER said  in another case, Millrock was  also top filed.                                                               
Millrock  had  staked  a  huge block  of  claims  at  significant                                                               
expense. In both cases, Millrock  put several millions of dollars                                                               
into  those  claims  in  exploration.  In  the  second  instance,                                                               
Millrock was able  to work things out with the  top filer, but it                                                               
cost  Millrock several  hundred  thousand dollars.  In so  doing,                                                               
Millrock lost  its major mining company  partner for co-exploring                                                               
the land.  Millrock put $1.5 million  into the ground and  it was                                                               
suddenly in doubt, in jeopardy, and the partner walked away.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEISCHER said the disincentive  clearly needs legislation. He                                                               
remarked  that it  is not  right  that a  company can  diligently                                                               
explore,  pay its  rent, do  the required  work, the  geophysical                                                               
surveys, the  geological mapping, the drilling,  then to suddenly                                                               
lose the claim on a technicality. The  bill will go a long way to                                                               
fixing  the  lack  of  clarity on  title  and  uncertainty  about                                                               
ownership  of the  mineral  rights.  No one  is  going to  invest                                                               
millions if there is no mineral title assurance.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:40:49 PM                                                                                                                    
He pointed  out that  the mineral statutes  issue has  caused the                                                               
DNR  a lot  of  angst and  controversy in  addition  to an  awful                                                               
amount of time. DNR will  become significantly more efficient and                                                               
save money with  new statutes. He summarized that  the bill would                                                               
result in  more investment in  the state and save  the government                                                               
money.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked if Millrock operates outside of Alaska.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEISCHER answered that Alaska  is Millrock's prime focus, but                                                               
Millrock has operations in Arizona and Northern Mexico.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE noted  that  his question  was  meant to  address                                                               
Millrock's  capital that  is at  risk. He  said the  two examples                                                               
that Mr.  Beischer provided  are significant.  He asked  if other                                                               
states have similar exposure in  their statutes. He remarked that                                                               
Alaska's statutes have a gaping hole.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEISCHER answered  that some  of the  Canadian jurisdictions                                                               
are well  advanced and have that  well locked in. He  pointed out                                                               
that mineral and mining companies  can invest all over the world.                                                               
There  are   stories  in  Third   World  countries   like  Congo,                                                               
Venezuela, and even Chile where  the countries stripped the mines                                                               
away. There is uncertainty on  title and tenure after millions in                                                               
investment and  possibly losing  mineral rights.  However, losing                                                               
mineral rights  in a First  World country like the  United States                                                               
and particularly Alaska is shocking.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:43:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL noted  that section  9, subsection  (i) provides                                                               
that the  department may  not declare  a mining  claim, etcetera,                                                               
invalid as a  result of deficiency and a statement  of labor. She                                                               
detailed that  the subsection provides  for a  five-year lookback                                                               
after the date  of the deficient statement. She asked  if the new                                                               
section  would have  remedied  Millrock's  20-year lookback  that                                                               
they just experienced.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEISCHER answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN summarized  that the primary goal  is efficiency and                                                               
minimizing  conflicts between  miners  in  addition to  conflicts                                                               
between miners and DNR. The key  portions of SB 155 really are to                                                               
provide the  opportunity to cure  and maintain tenure  over time.                                                               
The bill is not asking DNR to do  more work, but to send a notice                                                               
with an opportunity to cure  rather than a notice of abandonment.                                                               
The bill  is a roadmap  for the mining  industry for the  next 20                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:46:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL pointed  out that  the bill  will also  help new                                                               
filers as well  because new filers will have  a different process                                                               
when working with  DNR. He asked how a new  entrant might see the                                                               
claim staking process differently.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN  explained that  the language  for the  MTRSC system                                                               
will clearly identify a section to stake.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  remarked that  the clarity  for both  new filers                                                               
and those who have filed will provide huge benefits.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE said  the philosophy  often from  investors, both                                                               
mom-and-pop  and  multinationals,  is  that  investment  requires                                                               
reliable, predictable  and durable  expectations. He  stated that                                                               
he likes  the bill  because the legislation  goes from  the widow                                                               
who lost a generation-long opportunity  to the risking of capital                                                               
that requires  processes to be tight  and expectations understood                                                               
for investment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:48:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE held SB 155 in committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 122 v. U.A 1.28.2020.PDF SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
HB 122
HB 122 Sponsor Statement 1.28.2020.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
HB 122
HB 122 Sectional Analysis V. U.A 1.28.2020.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
HB 122
HB 122 Explanation of Changes V. U.A 1.28.2020.pdf SFIN 3/17/2020 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
HB 122
HB 122 Fiscal Note - DNR-PKS-04-13-19.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
HB 122
HB 122 Presentation by Rep. Hannan-Senate Resources.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
HB 122
HB 122 Written Testimony Received By 1.28.2020.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
HB 122
SB 155 SS v. K 2.3.2020.PDF SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 SS Sponsor Statement v. K 2.3.2020.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 SS Sectional Analysis v. K 2.3.2020.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 SS Fiscal Note DNR-MLW-2-4-20.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 SS Letter of Support - Council of Alaska Producers 2.5.2020.pdf SRES 2/5/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155